Enhance your mental health & making the right decisions with Ken Stearns || WBWL EP 82

I’m excited to bring on Ken Stearns, an established public speaker, entrepreneur, high achiever, grandfather, and executive coach.

He speaks through the many successes he’s had in his business in the insurance industry, but also in the later parts of his life, has shifted towards helping people with their mental health.

As someone who’s identified as a high achiever, he has brought awareness to his own mental health, attempting to find balance of wealth, health, and overall pursuit of happiness and a better quality of life.

He now resides in Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam, where he continues to promote his podcast on mental health, business leadership, and personal stories of humans overcoming adversity.

If you’re someone who identifies as a high achiever and wants to learn about strategies and life experiences from Ken to improve your mental health, strap in! You’re in for a ride!

Connect with Ken Stearns:
- Website: https://www.kenstearns.com/

• Mental Health Today podcast: https://www.mhtpodcast.com/
• Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ken-stearns-b104167/

Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to the Won Body Won Life Podcast. Hi, I'm your host, Dr. Jason Won lifestyle physical therapist. You guys know me, I am a person that loves to bring other guests on that want to speak about their own journeys through mental and physical health. And I really value a lot of the relationships I get to build literally around the world. For one, we have somebody that's literally living thousands of miles away in Vietnam, and not from Vietnam, but he's made a lot of massive life changes and decisions that made him successful. That's made him happier. That's made him more fulfilled and that's enhanced his mental health. So today we have Ken Stearns and the topic of today is really speaking to the mental health side of health, but also at the same time, making the right decisions in your life, even making the right sacrifices so that you too can also feel more fulfilled. So Ken, welcome in. How are you doing today? Good, Jason. Thanks for having me. And it's good to be back in the, to be back in the meeting room with you. And then like you said, even though now I'm a little bit farther away than I was last time we chatted. Yeah, no worries at all. Ken I value the conversation that we had before and that's why I wanted to definitely bring you in here because you can provide so much value to the audience that I currently serve. So why don't you just start off with just a brief introduction about yourself. So yourself, what's your background? And why are we talking about mental health today? Yeah, it's great. It's a great reflection for me because I am I'm back in Vietnam, which is where I left about two and a half years ago two and a half years ago, I, excuse me, decided to pack up the corporate career and go back to the U S I had spent 22 years over in Asia being an insurance executive and one of these great. Opportunities to travel around all of Asia for 22 years and live in about four or five countries, lead teams, sales teams, distribution teams high performing job, high stress job, and just lovely experience. But in the end, as I found myself back in Vietnam after a few years, I was 2 years here during covid and really. At the end of that, I felt disassociated with the job, disassociated with the career, really at the end of corporate life. And I think I had been through quite a blender, it felt and I still remember, and I just saw the video the other day that made this, this iPhone video after I had said, I quit. I'm done. I'm went into my to the CEO's office and said I think this is it in January. I'm going to head back to the U. S. and hang up my corporate spurs. And I got back to the apartment that night and, it's a gigantic emotional release that I felt like I just wanted to capture my emotion and just dictate into the phone and just say, Hey, I'm a free man and that lifting up of just all this kind of, This weight on your shoulders every day, every week, just a fantastic feeling. And then I spent two, two years plus traveling the U S I had put a plan together traveling the U S interviewing people in their homes. This is a really big adventure that I had planned. Took me two years. I went to 96 cities, interviewed 330 people, sat down in their living rooms with this giant jar of questions. And had conversations with them about life and, their lives and their life experience, what, what you do on a podcast, super valuable time spent with some amazing people and hearing stories of people overcoming life, challenges and turning them into opportunities. So I spent 2 years doing that interviewed 330 people and. I felt pretty refreshed and I felt like a, completely different person and put life in perspective changed me. Probably it feels almost like at a, at a cellular level, those kinds of interactions and the human stories and found myself coming back to Asia. When I I wrapped up the whole tour, I reached out to people and said, Hey, I'm going to start doing some public speaking and want to share some of my life experiences. And the first people to reach out to me were We're people from Asia and specifically people in Vietnam. So I found myself, back in the airplane and here I am like you said, we were chatting before meeting some people, meeting old friends. I've had nothing but coffees and, noodle lunches just having a great time getting back with old friends and from a different perspective now feel much different. It's a very different environment for me because I'm a different person. That's really good to hear, man. And I'm very happy for the situation that you're in. And obviously we got to connect and I got to speak about my story. And I'm sure that, you just interviewing all these people is something that lights you up. There's something that I'm currently doing right now and I do it like. Once quarterly, it's called like a time energy audit where basically I see the amount of time that I spend in my business and with my family. So like every 15 to 30 minutes, actually write into a journal, things that, things that light me up, things that suck up my energy. So you make green and red highlighters. You say to yourself if these are the things that really light me up, I'm going to keep these things in my life, things that are potentially red highlighter or that drain my energy. I either am going to get rid of it completely, or I'm going to delegate it to somebody else, especially if it's still beneficial to my business. So I feel like we can hit on so many topics cause you have just, I know you have just so much, even more experience as a businessman than me. So I wanted to hit on a couple of things like the word high achiever. I wanted to. Dive into kind of like the balance between like money and health. I think that's a good topic to talk about. Why don't we start off with high achievers? It's I think you perceive yourself as a high achiever. It depends on the persona, right? If you do personality tests, people in the Myers Briggs, I think I was labeled as a person that's try to be overachiever. If you're not achieving, you're depressed. And that's where I'm at. So how do you define somebody like a high achiever and how does mental health kind of play into this? high achievement state? What are some things that if you are a high achiever, what are some things that they might want to look out for? Yeah, when you say that, when you say the high achiever, that phrase, It brings up to me people that are in stress, under stress. Yes. I don't know that it's, I don't know that I get a good warm and fuzzy feeling with the phrase high achiever. I think there is, you cannot stay at that status for a long time. It would be my. My gut reaction, very difficult to stay at that level for a long time to sustain a high achieving status. Even, even if you're in your green zone, it's a very hard place to stay. It takes a lot of effort. It takes a lot of sacrifice. I don't know, you can always balance the family life for your personal life, right? Because, I think it's to me, it's a high achiever in life. At a broader term might be something that's beautiful, but I think high achiever, we normally associated with work or sports and there's a lot of sacrifice. It's made. I just did 1 of the 1 of the presentations that I'm doing here. I was invited out to do some sharing and one is a technical kind of a sales management workshop that went great. I'm just doing now one for high achieving insurance professionals. So there's a club called an achievement level called MDRT million dollar round table. And these are for high achieving insurance professionals. And it's a global status, a global recognition, and you can, apply for it in any country you're in. And in Vietnam here for one of the company that I was speaking to, there were about We had about 50 people in the last session, and that was in the central part of the country. We had a great session. And the first part, it's a three part kind of presentation. The first part is really talking about how your brain works. And, these are people who are trying to get to this level. They're right there, but They're not quite achieving it, right? So they're really good performers but they haven't achieved this high, this highest set higher status. And so the first part is really about how your brain works and you think about the same thoughts. And if you want to become this person, you have to change the way you think. You have to think about what you're thinking about, in order to become a different person, you'd literally need to become. A different person. If you are going to become this an MDRT, you can't be who you are today and there's going to be sacrifices that the middle part of the conversation, I talk about some of the elements of flourishing and the seven parts of flourishing. And the last part is a, you're in a great person. I get up and do a little motivation, but that middle part has got one of the components is mental health. It's mental health. Physical health, your diet, what you eat. These are, the kind of the keys as well as your professional health, your social health, spiritual health. And so there's these 7 components and this 1 after we, we went through all the journaling each topic we covered and we got to the. The sharing part where we asked a couple people to share. And this woman who I remember from the night before the gala dinner, she's very elegant, had a gorgeous dress. She looked, she looked top, she looked super top on her game, walking around. I was just, and I remember her out of the 50 people just a beautiful human and just looked like she was in it. She was in the game. And she stood up and started to share her story. And it just killed the room. She had an enormous mental health problem. She was really trying to achieve the numbers, really trying to do things for work, and she had work and life. And she started to share that she literally lost her hearing from the stress of life. And it was a mental and she went into the doctor said, you're fine. You're physically fine. It's all in your head. You're creating this terrible situation in your own mind. And she talked about her struggles and, couldn't sleep at night, having difficulty in the relationships. Difficulty in the job and it debilitated physically ended up debilitating her and she didn't say it But a hundred percent certain part of the conversation was I thought often about taking my own life she was in that bad of a place And she got out one day and she started walking around the block at three in the morning And then she started running and she felt better and she started running the next night. She couldn't sleep You And then she started waking up early to run. And then now she's running every day, five, six, seven kilometers, two and two something miles. And the conversation her sharing was so powerful in the room. People cry. There's people crying. I'm getting the translation. And, but I can just feel the emotion and I'm just from her emotion. I'm trying to even hold back my own tears, cause just it was just such a powerful sharing, but it's also that reminder of, as you get to this place, as you're trying to achieve it, there is so much. Difficulty for humans, because we're not meant to stay at this level. We're not meant to do things that are a little bit unnatural at times and finding the physical aspect, like what you talk about, right? The health part of her, she found her mental health. She found her ability to achieve by employing physical work. And it took her brain and relaxed her brain and allowed her to look at life. In a perspective. And so it's a, just a really interesting story for me. Just hap, just happened about three days ago and probably affect me for quite some time. And to know that the conversation the presentation that I put together and the opportunity for her to share was what brought her the courage to share the story. That's amazing. I want to take a pause just to let other people let that sink in. It's, I think a direct reflection of the word, a high achiever can often comes with the lowest of lows. It's like you can try so much financially. I think that most people that perceive whether you see a high achiever or you yourself are a high achiever are very much oftentimes associated with like high amount of stress, high amount of responsibility and putting pressure on yourself to achieve. Yes. That's. That's I think where I've been. I, just to tell you a story and it's, I don't think it hits as hard as that gorgeous woman in the room, but when I started my business 2019, 2020, and it was in the heart of the pandemic and I was starting a lot of my online stuff, I couldn't really see people in person because it was COVID. So a lot of people were stuck at home. And I remember times where I just felt like. a shell of myself. I would wake up feeling almost depressed. I would just walk a few steps. Like my bedroom was very close to my desk. So I would actually just, yeah, bedroom and separating office and like bedtime, not a good thing. And I remember one day my, my wife came up to me and she was, she seemed a little concerned. She'd obviously know I was working long hours. But she was like, you look pale and you look, you're, you look skinnier. It's like you look. And I was like, Oh yeah. Haven't even been weighing myself. I found out I lost 14 pounds, like literally 14 pounds of muscle. My body felt old. It didn't feel good. And I remember that was the time where like I Broke down and cried, in front of friends and family. Cause I was like, yeah, I don't know if I'm cut out for this. And it's because I just I'm a, I feel like I'm a high achiever. Yes. And I think when it comes down to it, like you got to see how high achiever, I really love how you said high achiever of life, not high achiever of like your finances. Cause you can have a beautiful nest egg, but still be very. Oh, be a wreck. So I think that it's just good to hear that, what would you say to somebody that maybe they are really trying to achieve a lot financially because that's more, it's more tangible. You can see the car, you can see, people can see it, your clothes, your watch, your Rolex, it's all that. What would you say to somebody that is a high achiever, but maybe. Seemingly letting other parts of their life go downhill where they're not taking care of those parts. Yeah. I'd come back, I'd come back to this story in the presentation, which is, what I was trying to communicate to the team, the group of people there is you can do this once anybody can muscle your way to the top. You can do it right in whatever profession you're in, you can do it. You will get there. And I've seen this in corporate life. So many times over the 20 something years working with a lot of expats, right? Foreigners who are coming to, this is a developing for my business. It's a developing financial market on the maturity level. It's still, it's still in the lower middle end and it's, starting to grow. And over that time, You bring in a lot of people with experience from other countries to share and manage and lead teams and develop people. And these are all high achievers. If you end up with a job in another country, in a specific area, you are a professional in that you've got a lot of value and you would be considered a high achiever. That would be the only way you would get the role. You do see a lot of people coming in one year, two years, three years and gone. And gone, not because they wanted to, but because they just couldn't hack it. They couldn't balance and hacking it. Meaning they might have been performing well at the job, but there's just so many other parts, right? There's that. You've got to have some social network because things are going to happen. Like you, your story, right? At some point you were in front of friends and family. That's who saw you at your worst. You need that social network. You gotta be eating right. You have to be, you have to be exercising. So you have to be mindful of what you're putting in your body and also how you're, tuning the body up because you can't, you could make, you could get that financial ring. You can, you can reach up and grab it, but you might be nearly broken when it's happening. And you can, like I said, you can muscle your way there for a while, but this will come crumbling down. I've got enough gray hair to say I've seen where this, this story happens. You've got to have a spiritual connection of some way, shape or form, and it doesn't have to be a God, but it's gotta be, you gotta be very much in touch with yourself spiritually and know, got to know thyself. And you have to really have those conversations when you look in the mirror are you comfortable with who you are? Are you comfortable with what you're doing? Do you feel good when you lay down at the end of the night? You got to have these, these conversations that you've got to develop yourself professionally, Jason. You can't do what you do with the same knowledge you had three years ago or four years ago. And you have to invest in yourself because the environment's changing the market's changing. So I, I think if you're measuring it solely by financial wealth and your financial status, then you will succumb to a very, narrow view in life that other parts you cannot ignore. It'll eventually catch up to you. Yeah, I think you hit some really valuable points. There's a couple quotes and things that I've talked about in the past. And I think that one quote that stuck out to me, it was some sort of like fitness influencer that I think is one of the more honest ones, not all about just like the six pack and things. And it was really promising. He said that you shouldn't be measuring your, you shouldn't be measuring your worth as a high achiever off of how much you earn. It's how much you spend. It's how much time you spend with your family and friends. I thought that was really powerful because we focus so much on the tangential things, the things that we can see, the clothes, the cars. I think that all of that is great. If you're a believer like myself in God, that feels that, okay you can't really take that up to wherever you are. You're going to measure your life. Yeah. Off of the memories that you've had with other people. And I think that I, when that, when I hear that, that's one of the things that puts me to tears is. When I'm with my family and with my friends or, just staring into my kid's eyes, you're present and that, that type of moment that you have with your family, it really makes your life feel that much more valuable and that much more fulfilled. And you can have 2 in your bank account and still be an extremely happy person. You can have a million dollars and be absolutely. Ashamed of yourself, It's absolutely, I think there's more of the latter than the former. I think I think there's a lot more millionaires that are absolutely miserable than there are people with just happy with the money they're making. No, for sure. So I think for people to be a high achiever, sometimes you have to. Pull yourself back. If you're a high achiever, sometimes you need to just unveil the curtain and be like what's most important in my life. And maybe sometimes you have to take a step back and be like if I continue to just rev my engine to 120 miles an hour, eventually my engine is going to burn out. I'd rather take a step back once in a while and just. Be present with your family around you go for a run like you like that one lady that is running every day because it clears up and it's improved your mental health dramatically. There's just so much about high achieving that you can be an achiever in so many other ways. And it's not just about your financial wealth for sure. But I guess my next, the next thing I want to talk about is just. How people are measuring their self worth about around, let's say around money, and I think that money is one thing, but what, how does somebody take potentially let's say if they do have a lot available to them financially, what can they potentially do to be more serviceable others? Do they just continue to grow and just donate? Or what would be some ways in which they can Manage or utilize your finances for the good of other people and maybe the good for themselves. Once you're at that level, my the people that I've seen that are really are the happiest, they do find, they find a way to let eventually let the work for them, the job, excuse me. Sorry. I'm a little, my kind of morning voice as people get your high achieving for a while, and at some point, like you said, the money. The money runs out of value to you and whether you're of lower means or whether you really are rich, I think at some point money has, it loses its value to you and you start to cherish the other things. Now, sad, the sad people are ones running until they're dead. And you don't meet many people. You don't hear any stories of people on deathbed saying, I wish I made more money. All those stories involved. I wish I spent more time with people. I wish I made more friends. I wish I wasn't such a jerk, wasn't so short with people, summarize it, finding a way to connect to other people. And this, I think, is really what drove me to do the jar after spending a career that, life insurance really is about. Several things. It's about many things, but one of them is being there for people in the dark times, giving hope, what I call bringing hope in a dark time. You're the insurance person and something terrible happens to a family. The hope is that person took time out. To ensure themselves to prepare for the family, to make sure that, to send a little bit of a, how do you have a car at, you fall off the motorbike and you're dead. You get hit, you get hit by a falling tree, who knows what happens. It's a way to send love from the grave. It's a way to send it, say, I love you. I did, I sacrifice some time and some money and I set it aside just in case this happened. And I'm sending, and I'm sending this. This kind of this little love note in the form of a, in the form of an insurance payment people get to a place where the money is not as important as the human connection. And I just, like I said I really sacrificed a career unplugged from corporate to get out and get in touch with people. Even though I was working through others in my career, right? I wasn't the insurance agent anymore. I was so far removed from it that I really wanted although I'm coaching people and helping, young executives still felt like I needed to get. So far down into the dirt and to hear people's stories and to sit in the living room with them, with this jar of questions and just ask them to tell their story and share that story. So other people could hear, just exactly what we're doing. So other people can hear. Your version of life and how you made it through or are making it through. And so I think it's, high performance, some point you've got to be high performing in other areas of your life. And so I think, ditch the money at some point and you will find infinite happiness elsewhere. That's really good to hear. One of the things that lights me up and. I think it's part of my profession and what my MO is, it's just fitness. It's telling, it's not telling people, it's inspiring people through action on how I take care of my mental health, how I take care of my body. And I think that a product of my quality of life and Helping other people with their quality of life is teaching them to be stronger is teaching them the right exercises so that they feel better on a daily basis. I'm teaching them the right nutrition and the right habits necessary. So they could achieve more, not just financially, but also have the body that can withstand, all the sacrifices that you're putting through your body, all the on your computer, making phone calls, trying to make more clients, trying to make more money. It's another aspect of that is, it's Indeed. It's your physical and your mental health. So like you said, with that one lady, it's like she just started running, which is, it's physically demanding, but it translated very much so to her gaining, regaining her mental health, a sense of sanity again. Yeah, I, with side story on that, you're talking about get, getting your strength together during. During COVID as I was wrapping up my book, planning the podcast journey, knew I'd be on the road for, two years in and out of hotels driving, changing cities every four days, just this manic, crazy, silly schedule. I designed high achieve a very high achieving schedule. I was trying to, I was trying to, every four days to literally changing a city, trying to do four interviews in a town. It's just absolutely bananas. When I look back on it, you talk about a high achiever with left with a dream and a pen and I really set some crazy goals. One of the things that I was manic about for the last six months, eight months was exercising four or five times a week, even though we were in COVID. I started doing gym sessions with my trainer. Through zoom we were doing, I would just set my phone up on a, so he could watch me, in a particular exercise and we had worked together. So we, I knew the drill pretty well. I knew form quite well, but needed just needed that guidance to make sure I had the technique. But I got in the probably the best shape of my life at 60. 59 to 60 just preparing for this because I knew how important it would be to have my physical health absolutely at a peak when I started and because I knew I would not maintain it over the two years. I just, I knew myself, I'm going to get into, it's going to be very hard for me to stay motivated. And so I just I bulked it in for two years. So it's, you can't always stay in a routine, but if you do know things are, you have to. You have to find the time and think ahead of where you can find you where you can put that resource, right? Which part of your balancing, your mental health side, your physical side, are you going to not be able to eat correctly for the next 4 months or 4 weeks? So you better. You better make sure you've got a good, clean diet and focus on your diet now, because sometimes you can't always control where you're going to be and what you're going to eat. So I think that being aware, self aware of what's happening in that balance of those seven kind of flourishing components. And knowing which ones you're going to sacrifice and which ones you can, you lean into during a period of your life. I always perceived that when I think about a business owner or a, or an executive or high achiever is you have these balls that are juggling and all these balls, you're trying to balance because you're wearing multiple hats in your business. If you're starting off or maybe you're making seven figures and you're already wearing a ton of hats, you're managing a team regardless, you're still. Balancing and juggling a ton of balls and you got your family and you got your mental health and you got your exercise and everything else that kind of makes a human. And at some point you're like, okay, I always hear this question on the, all these forums, like how do you achieve balance amongst all that? And my take on things is instead of trying to achieve balance, I think you should be okay with imbalance because there may be a time where I think there's a season where you're like, Hey, I'm going to dedicate six months. To really improving my my strength, my resilience and get into good shape. And that may be an emphasis point where you put a lot of work into that. And then you let something else, you let a ball fall on the floor, but it doesn't mean that you can't just pick it back up because I think what you should try to do is not try to balance everything and give like 20 percent here, 20 percent here, 20 percent here, and all of a sudden you're doing a half assed job in all of these categories. Interesting. I think a great job. Let's say if you want to work on your physical health, which I can help you with that, but if you worked on that for six months, you're likely going to build some sort of. Mental fortitude and habits that's going to carry on. Even when you're juggling the ball, that ball is seemingly able to be like higher in the air. It floats in the air a little bit more. It's easy. And so you don't have to worry about as much about your physical health because you've built in a habit of that. And now you can focus on some other aspect of your health, your career, whatever it is. And I'm not sure if you agree with that, but I always try to achieve balance since like 2020, 2021. And at this, I'm going to like, and focus on these one thing, and then I can pick up things as I might, as I may like transition in different aspects of my life and my business. So I'm not sure if that's something you agree that teach that in a different way. Yeah, I think that's makes a ton of sense. And I agree trying to balance, six, seven parts of your life, six, seven, eight parts of your life. Manic, that is also that becomes, then you're a high achiever. That's it. We're talking about high achiever across life. I don't know that's possible all the time. It's not sustainable. And I even look back as you're telling the story, so I did my own, I knew I was going to be out of balance. So I focused heavily off balance on exercise because I knew that physical part would sustain my mental health. And then when I was on the road, I focused on eating right. I didn't let the diet part go sideways. So I knew I had to be very careful what I ate. And when I finished everything, I was on the road, I was away from friends and family. One of the things I did was I eventually, I parked myself at my daughter's house. I said, I am coming. I'm coming. That's about the warning I gave her. I didn't tell her how long I was coming. I didn't say anything other than I'm coming. And I just, I grounded really deeply, Jason, just, hanging out at the daughter's house with the three grandkids. And for me, the most special thing in the world that the, that one moment when I woke up in the morning, it's about five 30 and I could just hear this pitter patter of little four year old feet going across the wooden floor. It's just about five 30 in the morning. I'm laying in bed and I just hear this. I can only hear a little something noise, maybe a voice. And then just this dum. And as she's walking or running into her mom and dad's bedroom. Cross my past my door and, I'm just laying there. I said, oh, man, I'm home. I'm in the right place. That was just like, that was an injection of I don't know how many, body chemicals released into me at that moment, but it was just, it was magic and I didn't want to leave. I was there for about 2 months. And I just this is the most magical place. And so for me, that was a spiritual mental health, everything coming together your whole life, you're a father, you're, and then you become a grandfather. And to be connected to those, to the, to your family at that level another whole nother level of things I didn't really experience. That moment where it all kind of came together, but I just that one over it in my memory forever. And so that was a, I was heavy weighted towards a few of the things in life that mattered, things that really recharged my batteries and maybe that is a good analogy to this. There are, you have to plug that charger in, right? There's going to be different things that are going to energize you and replenish you. at different points. And so in that balance, as you're maintaining that balance, it's, I think it's okay to get out of balance and to focus on different things. Cause you may need different things at different parts of your life more than others. For sure. Re redefining, I think what we need to do on, on, especially conclude this podcast episode. We felt like we have so much more to talk about, but redefining high tiers, high achieving, I'm sure that If you have enough to sustain yourself financially, that's great. As long as you can pay the bills, that's great. If you have a little surplus to put into life insurance and other means by choice go for it. But you got to see, at the end of your life, Ken you're not going to remember, you're not going to remember the, you're not going to be thinking about the dark time for sure. You're definitely going to not going to remember the many. Accounts that you open, you're not going to remember the clothes that you buy, you're going to remember the little tiny steps that came across your room when your grandkids were extremely young, ironically. So as we're doing this podcast, my son came home from school and he'd hear and go, where's daddy. And you can hear him literally he's right above us. The living room is right above us. And you hear, that's funny, that's so ironic how you said that, and you can literally hear him while we're talking about this file, because he's duh. And he's like, where's Eddie? And I'm like there are no coincidences, Jason, there there's just connections. I don't believe in coincidences anymore. No, and quite frankly, I want to leave the podcast as much as I'm having this great conversation with you. I want to leave this podcast and shut down my computer and just hug, just hug my son. And I think that again, those experiences, I think that it doesn't matter financially where you're at. I think that the To be a high achiever is someone that just is happy. Happiness is what should define high achievers. I'd agree. I'd agree the happiness and contentment and taking and that doesn't come week. Look, high achievers can be in sports. They can be. Just the person on the street who's happy with nothing there. You're winning. You're winning in life. If you give your high achievement, you're somehow winning in life and boy, God bless the person. Some of the people I see here sitting out on the street and just enjoying life and they don't have a lot. But they are, the Vietnamese generally seem to be a very content people and I love walking around and just seeing the smiles and the friendliness and, just they found it. There's it still feels like they own it. They're still in that groove right now. And I hope people, I hope listeners can find their space and find that balance. So you can be, like you said, a high achiever in life and not so much measure that financially, fiscally. Yeah, lastly, go grab that son, man, go grab that son, pick him up and give him a big hug. Absolutely. I guess just like one more question for you. And I think we can end this here and I'm sure hopefully we'll have more conversations, but when you're looking at somebody that is achieving a lot financially, it's what. Like we said, like you can delegate those financials, things to spending more time with your family. You can spend more invitations. And there's a lot you can do financially. That's not selfish. You can definitely do a lot. And I would also say, for anybody that is a high achiever, don't just go for the job that makes a ton of money, like I, I didn't choose physical therapy because. Of the money. It's a doctorate, I think quite frankly, most doctors of physical therapy are quite underpaid. Some make as little as 000. And it's just not enough to sustain. So I think finding a job and finding a career where you're passionate, you feel like you're helping people, you're being serviceable. I think that's part of it. It makes it feel less like a job. It feels like you're achieving more. And absolutely. I think you're as far as your profession, I'm sure you are doing great with your executives and helping them. With these exact things that we just talked about, about we're not just high achieving professionals financially, but we can definitely be happier in so many places. And that's what I'm trying to do. At least, my little dent in the world is to help people with pain, injury, help them feel stronger, more fulfilled and take care of that aspect, but I think just bringing on people like yourself that come from a completely different background, but we still understand how important our mental health is to us that's world class. I think this, Podcast was amazing. And I don't know if you have any like final notes for people that like leave leaving any final notes and words of advice from you, considering you have so much to give, obviously. Yeah. I think, just the final, just wrap up a lot about what we've talked about is. Making sure that you are aware of where you're at like you like your journaling and making sure you're aware of where you're at on the different components of really being happy and being a, being a whole person was the way I was talking to a client yesterday. He's saying, oh, you're talking about a whole person. And it's yeah, that's what it is. So knowing where you're at, knowing where you when you're out of balance, having that red, green, yellow markers on those components of life. And, getting out of the red zone, when you can, sometimes we have to look, sometimes you're in the red zone, you're going to be in the red zone. You gotta eat that red zone, but you've got to, but you've got to have a, you got to know how you're going to get into yellow and you can see the green, you're going to focus, I'm going to get to the green, I'm in the red right now and it's okay. Cause I know I'm in the red and I know why I'm in the red and I think you can get. You can survive in that space for a time if you have a plan and you're aware. I think like the story of that young lady was, she didn't know, she didn't see it coming and she slipped into it. And, you can't claw your way out of that with your nails and you're not a when you find yourself in that spot. And you're not aware. I think that's a rough spot. That's a difficult situation for people. The observations or the advice is to be aware to do these self checks. I love that. That example that you gave and then, and again, that if you are going to be in a red zone and operate in it, know you're in it, know why you're in it and how the, how long you're going to be there and how you're, what the steps are to get out of it. And when you're in the green zone, just enjoy it. And just I'm laying, I was in the green zone, laying there in the bed and I heard those pitter patter. I'm like, I'm not leaving the green zone. I'm in the green. I'm not leaving. And so when you find you're in this spot, swim in there, enjoy it, take off your clothes, dance around naked, and enjoy the time in the green zones and and balance the rest of it. Absolutely. Great message to end this with. I definitely think that. This podcast that I think you have a podcast and I also have one that, that these types of things is part of my green zone. I love speaking with people and speaking with people advanced that has a lot of life obstacles that you've overcome. The fact that you found your calling, doing all these things and interviewing people and having these jar of questions. So again, just want to thank you for being a part of this podcast and fulfilling my green zone for this past hour. And I guess for anybody that's wanting more information about you or, wanting to absorb, the things that you put out there, where can they find you? Yeah. So a couple of places. One is the, a good one where you can hear my, see my story and see some of the podcasting stuff is the jar dot the jar dot live. I also do a podcast called mental health today. It's MHT podcast. There's got a, that's also got a good bio and it's got a link to the, a lot of the other stuff. So mht podcast.com and then also ken stears.com. I've got a I'm a little bit as I'm going through it. Yeah, okay. That's a little looks a little high achieving. So I've got three pod, three platforms or more and more that I'm operating under, but any one of those are great spots and you can find out a lot more about me there. Very cool. And I'll be sure to link that in the show notes so that people don't have to listen to the podcast. It can simply just go to the description section, and you'll be able to find all about what concerns is about. And all the, again, all the things that I think you can share as far as value in your own life, especially if you are a high achiever, high performer that means. It's more out of life. I think that he definitely helped. Thank you so much for your time, Ken. I really appreciate it. And that's what I got for you guys for this podcast today. If you have any questions or you want to leave a five star review, feel free to leave that in the comments, Apple podcasts. We love if you can leave a comment also five star review, that way more people can be able to witness and be able to hear this podcast as well. And I guess I'll leave you with this quote that I always leave with my audience all the time. We only have one body, one life, make every action you take be one that makes you a better version of you. Take care, and thank you so much for your time, Ken.