From Trauma To Triumph With Ozzin Jun, Entrepreneur || WBWL Ep 96

“From Trauma To Triumph” goes through Ozzin’s journey from abusive relationships, rape, psychological trauma, and a myriad of physical ailments and manifestations to starting a successful business and inspiring others in their health journeys.

I implore you to listen to the many tactics and mindset strategies that will enable you to start a new identity, to “marry” the new version of yourself, and start a life that is more meaningful and purposeful.

Ozzin also has a new book you can pre-order called “Marry Yourself”, and she has a free health community. Links below.

FREE Heal 365 Telegram Community: https://t.me/healwithozzin

You may contact Ozzin through her socials to pre-order her book. Her social links: 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ozzinjun/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ozzin.jun

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ozzin-jun-404b82158/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJKg8mZpEt_Ulh9Zi1tJLXg

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-Dr. Jason Won

Transcript

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Hey there. Welcome to the Won Body Won Life Podcast. Hi, I'm your host, Dr. Jason Won, Lifestyle Physical Therapist. In this podcast, I always talk about anything health related, or how to live a more fulfilling life, how to decrease pain, how to overcome certain psychologies and certain things that may be hindering you from living a more fulfilling and even a healthier life. And I also like to bring on a very special guest today. I have a very special guest. Her name is Ozzin Jun. She's from Switzerland. I think she has a very spirited and entrepreneurial mindset. So I think we have a really mutual connection there, but also we definitely want to talk a little bit about how, certain traumas in our life, how to overcome those things and how to triumph beyond that. So the episode today is actually called from trauma to triumph. And I think that Ozzy is one of the best people to highlight on that. So Ozzy, just welcome in. And we're very excited and very privileged to have you. So how are you doing today? Thank you so much Jason for having me. I'm very excited to share my journey and I'm excited for this talk today. Perfect. So why don't you just share just a little bit about your background? So what do you do? Where are you from? And what's your why for the world? Yeah, sure. So my name is Austin and I'm known as a business mentor. Also as the wealth queen because just like four years ago I was in massive six figure debt. I didn't have a life purpose. I was just. Still a student back then I decided to drop out to pursue my entrepreneurial career fully. I'm also survivor of rape and kidnap. That's like part of the story. And after all these things that I've doing, like that I was Going through, I had this strong, why to, help people to build business like financial wealth, health as well, that came from my trauma. And that's what like pushed me to help people in the business. And then also, as a health advocate, after what I've going through to overcome your chronic sickness. So if you're a business owner, a coach with any service that you provide, I help you through, I can help you with the social media and with the messaging shift to three X or sales. Perfect. Yeah. Let's definitely talk about just highlight from a few years back. Obviously I didn't know you back then, but there seemingly was a sense of why that usually comes about it. And usually with any entrepreneur, usually there often is a big sense of why sometimes it is just strictly I want to make more money, but I think that even for me after going through. My, my dad's sickness and him passing away, my, my journey has always been about helping people to prevent sickness and pain from their life so they can live happier. So why don't you just share a little bit about your journey, how you came about being here? Yes, sure. So I think for me, it all started the moment during COVID I was still in university back then. And my dream was actually to become rather an artist. So I dropped out the first time in school to become an artist where I took a flight to New York and I was like painting for nine hours on the floor. But I quickly realized that drawing like for, 10 hours is too much. It's very different than drawing as a passion for an hour. And I wasn't making much money as an artist. So seeing in New York, a lot of the societal issues and even my mom going after divorce through a lot of financial crisis, hard times that led me to the motivation to make money online, to figure a way out. And also I wanted to like, just like transform people. So the first time when I was like, 18 starting this journey. I was a bit all over the place, trying e commerce, trying trading, whole type of things. Until I had to zoom out and that's when I realized that coaching was the thing that I wanted to do. I didn't know back then I could make really a living out of this. But then I committed in 2021 to a coach. I paid my first 10 grand, went all in. And then within the first six months I had sorry, the first eight months, I had my first six figure cash months and I started to impact all, over the world, like people, coaches, me now it's been like 15, 000 people through keynotes and workshops that I've transformed. And everything that I'm doing, I think. The biggest impact for me was 2019. After, before I actually went into entrepreneurship that plants this huge seed in me through a trauma that I've experienced that came from rape and kidnap where I was missing in school for about one month. And then, I got found by the police. There was, it's a long story, but that thing made me realize my purpose deeper. And I think if it wouldn't be without that pain on the financial level, the depth level, the no purpose level I think I wouldn't be here. So I think it's. Speeded me up in terms of like wisdom, resilience, and the same reason why today I don't like to, stick to the one type tool of being a business mentor. I think being a good business mentor is also about being like almost a life mentor for people. So living a life and that's what led me to, create very recently a health community where I speak about Trauma healing and chronic healing which is also very physical Yeah, how does how do you feel like the physical relates to like the mentor the psychosocial? So obviously you went through a trauma where it's missing for one month. So obviously There's a lot of fear, anxiety. Sometimes people, I think, respond in different ways to those traumas. Now, whether they. Decide to repress those memories. And sometimes people then you, like yourself, you use as a catalyst for, helping other people. So can you share a little bit about how, how mentally that's changed you in a way that, that has made you who you are today? Yes, sure. So in the moment when everything happened for the context, I was in a toxic abusive relationship and that totally just escalated. And back then even when I broke up it, it was very hard because I was constant on there like 24 seven stalking. My whole school was involved. My parents were involved. There was a court case going on for three years. So psychologically it got me very like deep. down like anxious panic nights, insomnia. And I think the worst thing about that was that it was hard to run away from that because this guy was still after me and it wasn't until the police really interfered and had this whole warning. So mentally what got me back up after. Physically, I couldn't open my jaw anymore. I was injured in some areas. But when I just turned the selfie stick, not just towards me, but about others, I felt so much pain that I felt I had to get up in order to help other people. I also got a message. In, after a few months from a lady, she reached out on Instagram to me, I didn't know who she was, but she knew me. And she said that she is the new girlfriend of this crazy man. And he put an ax on her whole car. He also raped her, betrayed her. And she said she wants to commit suicide on that nine. So after that one night hearing that I decided to make my story public. Because it's unfortunate, like a huge trend going on that I feel that every third person or women, even guys that I met that they go through this. So I think that the mental fortitude that comes from that, it's just like from unbearable pain and the knowing how that feels. So if you've been walking in hell, you just know like how heaven feels later. Yeah. How long exactly did it take you from, from the time that you're in this toxic relationship, there is a number of abusive acts that were going on. So how long did it take for you? Once you were out of that relationship, how long did it take for you to, cope to be settled into a place where, you know, again we talk about you inspiring others. So did it take you like just a few weeks? Did it take you many months and years to get this issue out of the way and to start focusing on yourself and impacting other people? Wow, that's a very complicated answer, but I think the fastest answer to that is after this whole act. I think I was also a bit in shock after all of this. And also I was back then just shortly before my school graduation. So I have to imagine I missed out. school. So that left a lot of question marks for a lot of teachers. And when I came back, all the school directors, people told me I should just repeat the school year and just, get like some therapists and relax on my health. But I was like always very ambitious and I knew my dream was to, finish the school year, get the university. And get to my dream job. So I asked and backed all the school teachers that I will repeat or do all the exams that I've missed like within a month, which was like 20 different exams. And after multiple like discussions, I. I made and I went through all the exams, I passed it and I actually graduated as one of the second best students. And for me, I think honestly, school career was the thing that helped me to shift my focus from coming home after this whole kidnap and rape thing. And on the same night I came back home, I know like people won't believe, but I actually just studied I just went to my room. And I was like, it's crazy what just happened, but I first got to graduate. So I just studied like for two weeks, like a freak, like a zombie without much sleep. I graduated. And then after the graduation, all my tears came down. It was like for my body, just so much. But after that, I think in terms of processing that I'm like, I always feel no matter what I went through, even this whole rape thing I feel there's this attitude that says okay, it happened, a trauma. Is only a trauma in a way and only that bad if you make it and accept it as really bad So while I acknowledge that I just said fast moving on and then I focused so much on my career and entrepreneurship That it was almost a thing of a matter of a week where I just got up and did it And then after three years I'm entering a new relationship with my loving boyfriend today. That was when the trauma flared up, this is like the moment where you're so like things you don't even know what was like in you and processing. So still of the things that like came up like last year that I had to process with therapists and things. But yeah, it's a journey for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I say the similar things to my clients as well. When I'm helping them with an injury or helping them with pain. Then pain is the manifestation of everything that we are from physical to psychosocial. So If somebody hurts themselves repeatedly, like their lower back, it can impact many parts of their life from their family, their finances, their relationships, and obviously physical health to the point of disablement, you saying to yourself despite this pretty large trauma, to try to consolidate that trauma into a small little box and just to focus on your studies and focus on your aspirations of being who you are today. That's very admirable. And I try to even instill that with my own clients. You might be dealing with this pain, but if you can consolidate it and perceive that it's not as large and consuming as you think, then you can start to focus on the other aspects of life that are more meaningful. The family around you, your kids and then you can start to live your life. Pain just becomes this small instance of your life and not this large, overconsuming cloud. I think that you did that very, I think that you did that very well. My, my question is, did you, do you feel like after all that, You were obviously experienced some shock, then you started to feel a sense of you started to feel more of those like flares coming up when you had a new, over the, between those times of the abusive relationships and to the point where you start a new relationship. Did you experience anything like this thing called mind body connection where you had this psychological trauma, but then it started to manifest itself as physical symptoms, superficial symptoms, like some people start to develop. Yeah. stomach issues or they start to develop pain in their body. Did you experience any like physical symptoms as a result of emotional trauma? Yes, sure. So after that time, I think it I was first doing good. Like physically I was always like very like in shape fit. Like it was just, I think good DNA. And I. Was I was like taking care of myself. However, I realized after being in a relationship with now my loving boyfriend for about four years, 2021 I met him and it was the time where I feel I was still doing okay ish because I did a lot of the healing work before entering a new relationship. And I always talk this about also my new upcoming book. It's called marry yourself. And this is the concept that really healed me. It speaks about using chaos as a mirror towards your given purpose. It speaks about deeper levels of self commitment and self worthiness. So the more self worthiness I have, the more money I made, the more I had better relationship and anything else in life. And so is it for health? But I think the process where I could physically feel something was like really going bad was 2022, 2023. I started to have recurring infection, UTI. I had all types of sicknesses, like migraines, and it was getting so bad to the point where. Where in 2022, I almost died actually in hospital in New York. I had the whole blood poison. I was in Nepal in an emergency station last year during peace conference. And and also I had a skin eczema for 12 years that I had like even years ago, from probably a lot of teenager stress, the divorce, my parents went through this year it became unbearable. I was. Completely knocked out. I could not get out of bed anymore. I was crying at the beginning of this year. I'm really depressed. And as a business owner, this is even double frustrating because you cannot perform. So that's where I changed my whole lifestyle. So I really believe it's. It's two things. Like one thing is like you, you have to do obviously the mindset work and you can do all type of positive thinking and stuff, but at the end of the day, they are also physical things that needs to be treated. I had to release toxins. The liver was full of toxins and. And people don't talk about it these days that the modern life like the food that we eat the air that we breathe All of these things how it toxicated me over years and there was also abuse that I tolerated to myself, coffees running on energy drinks allowing toxic relationships, so it's not just like toxin from foods, but it's like toxins from relationships And I radically Eliminated all of these things. And then within three months, my skin eczema started to disappear. And this is like where, I understood this whole body and PTSD. It's a real thing because your brain has a chemical balance imbalance. And it's, and people talk about, Oh you have a thick skin, but what they're actually saying is like people who have a thick skin. game. They have more reserve on glucose and it uses up when you have a lot of the traumas and PTSD. And I started to study all of these topics in and out. And now I, help people with business and with the life and house together. Yeah. So how do you feel that, with PTSD There's an, there's a increase or chronic overload of cortisol secretion and cortisol and disturb many areas of the body from, for women like your estrogen levels, it can disturb your testosterone and I know women given that they have a certain amount of testosterone. You deplete that even as well, and then you, your body feels malaise, it feels weak and also can disturb the ability to absorb food, obviously, because cortisol dampers insulin, which, therefore, you're not able to utilize glucose as readily for, you exercise or even just day to day activities. So with that being said how, what were the steps for you that you took? When you had eczema and migraines and you're can get out of bed, was it all, was it mainly dietary? Was it like physical health? Did you start walking more? Did you start to do more breath work? If you don't mind like detailing that for people, for maybe anybody that's dealt with trauma or PTSD, I love your insight on what you were able to do for yourself. Yes, sure. So before I, suggest certain things like physically that you can consume, I think the first thing it is really the mindset. And for me, it was really this whole marry yourself, self commitment. You have to commit and love yourself. I'm a woman of faith, so I believe in God. So whoever you believe in, I think by faith is foundation. And the second thing is like really purpose. Because I, I cannot name it enough, but it wouldn't be like without purpose where I would be here every time it's purpose, percept, perspective shift that helped me to keep going. And then once you know your purpose, once you really anchor into that and you base your identity into something permanent and not based on your feelings, how you feel, because then your life is like really wobbly and like a drunk yard. But if you put it into God, it's permanent and that's the base. After that, it was for me drinking celery juice. So celery juice, I believe is a natural God given healer. It really flushed out so many toxins. So you can start with 16 to 35 ounces every day with celery juice in the morning. So without adding water because water is doesn't make it effective enough. So you wake up, make drink a celery juice. Usually it's one whole cellar stack per adult person. Then you wait 20 to 30 minutes. And then you can eat the light breakfast and then go on and then no fats usually in the morning are extreme and I'm speaking especially to those who deal with skin eczema and if you have a very sluggish liver because most eczemas, they come from the liver. You can do start to do this and also and to make it really relevant is what really surprised me is that celery juice can also decrease ADHD autism. It helped people, heal from cancer and so many other illnesses, gut health as well. After you do this for a while, like it can be 30 days and, most likely actually part of your longterm lifestyle there are different detox method that I also teach, like a lot of food. Fruits, the veggies, it's often the things that you probably know, but then doing is the other thing. So for me, like understanding to decrease the things that, it's not good, probably like processed foods and like sugary drinks, caffeine, there's a lot of food betrayers that you need to know just by eliminating them for me, 80 percent of my symptoms were gone. So it was like gluten. I avoided weeds allergy. You have to like, no. Allergies that you have with sensitives, so this is the thing like have like more body awareness and observing it maybe journal it. And then the last steps is you can support your health journey with also tea and herbs. I had no idea that, thyme tea, there is hibiscus tea for sluggish liver. And I just started to drink like liters of Very specific teas, everyday celery juice, everyday fruits and veggie. And then, when I work instead of sitting all the time, I used to just incorporate like little stretchings and getting up every 30, 50 minutes, which for me was a huge progress. It sounds like a little, but it does a lot. So yeah, I think this is the three steps where, how you can get started. For sure. Yeah. It's, I didn't know about celery juice, but I think that's a. It's a really great fact for people to know. I'm curious if like just eating a celery stick is the same thing as juicing it and whether it has the same type of context. And I, yeah I do believe that exercise, stretching, walking, getting up out of your seat, considering where it mainly a computer driven society. And most of us, we decay at the desk. Is really pivotal. Like walking just gets better fluid exchange out of your lungs. It prevents pneumonia. It prevents chronic hip and low back pain as well. So there obviously exercise is a huge catalyst and it is what exactly Ozden said is that admitting that you need to accept that change, whether it's. Whether you are religious and you are a, just like how I am, I'm a man of faith, and I believe in God as well that, that could be something that shifts your perspective and starts to make those massive changes. Even then, whether you're not religious and you're just like, hey, I need to contemplate change, you need to shift your perspective. Contemplation stage into, pre preparation and action stage. And those kind of are your thoughts is you can listen to this podcast and simply just be like, wow, that was a great podcast. That hasn't been jaded. Or you can decide, after this, I'm going to actually journal things out. I'm going to make a plan. I'm going to write it down. I'm going to send a contract to myself and I'm actually going to really make the changes that I want to change my health, my financial career. Anything that you feel. And I think that outside of just trauma, Ozzin is that you have triumphed in many different ways. You're physically stronger, more resilient. You're inspiring more people and not that everyone has to be an entrepreneur, but for anybody that's listening, everything comes together from your physical mental health, from your relations and finances, everything's tied together. And one thing that you definitely hit on that I always hit on too, is your purpose. If you're not purpose driven, if you don't have purpose for life, you're depleting as far as everything that's, that could drive you. So what would you say to anybody that has dealt with something similar to you? Whether it's a trauma, whether they are trying to improve their financial or their physical health. What are some of the main, let's say one or two pieces of advice that you usually give to like your own clients, your own followers? Yes, sure. So I think the first thing that helped me to heal and you can also do is called expression work. I do this a lot of the time. So it's you have to imagine yourself. Flower garden or is blossoming and I think the, no matter if you're somebody that wants to expand their personal brand or if it's you in healing, I think at the end of the day, it's like you showing the version you've always having you and becoming more naked. So it's also the same thing Many people are trying to be like sugar, like you people pleasing. And you're also in your content maybe not standing on the values and things that you truly believe in because you don't want to let people down. People want to be liked and it's very normal, but I think where I started to heal is to stop being sugar and become salt, become bitter, but in a sense you're not for everyone and that's very okay. And I think learning how to express that. And it's like a very artistic. Being for me was like playing piano. It was journaling was like, getting really creative, was writing, but another part was honestly, the moment I shared my story publicly about rape and kidnap a, I did it for this particular women who wanted to commit suicide on that night, she wrote me, but at the same time, what it did was while I gave a speech at Kensington palace in 2023 and that same month. My skin eczema reduced by 40%. And that was for me so insane. I felt like it was almost a miracle. So sometimes just letting it out sharing and, whilst you help people, you help yourself, you heal as you go and that, and you have to find out like what and how you want to express it. And then the second part is, as I mentioned about marrying yourself. So this whole concept is number one within marrying yourself. I talk about letting go of an older identity of you. You have to divorce yourself in order to marry your new version. You cannot be both. And you, you put down and write down three wedding wows that you give yourself, like for example, for next year, what are the wedding wows? And they have to be rooted in your new identity. Like you're this type of person and separate all type of other things that, doesn't serve you. And it's a lot about translating the experiences you want inside of your business and also outside of life. So the biggest mistake people do, even in business is like they build something and then they realize they really hate what they've built, like the structure or maybe the coaching delivery, whatever system you have. And same thing for relationships. So the first thing of marrying yourself is when you set those new wedding wows, look into what do you want to experience? For example, for me in business, it was like, I want to wake up on autopilot of sales. I want to travel with the world, with my boyfriend. I want to go anywhere when I can. I wanted to not rely on one coaching for like my revenue streams. I want this type of loving relationship where I felt really physically, mentally, emotionally on all levels. So all these things, once I was clear, I could translate from there, my business model, and I could also manifest the things really much faster in terms of what type of relationship I wanted. So yeah, you can start with these things of like really identifying the experiences and make yourself a wedding while contract and then really sign it and put it somewhere where you can see it daily. And then the other thing is. Find a way to express yourself, music, arts, whoever you are, whatever you, but letting it out and be okay not to be liked by everyone. Absolutely. I feel like you hit on so many good points. One book that always comes to mind with me cause I, I pride myself on having really good movement habits and exercising a lot. Atomic habits by James clear. It's one book that. Really speaks to me. He even talks about how you could technically write a contract to yourself. And, if you break that contract, there's consequences, or you can write a contract and send it to your wife or your partner. And if you break that contract, you owe them something. So I think there's a lot of, there's a lot to say around you contemplating change and just saying to yourself Oh, I'm going to take these action steps versus. writing it down, reminding yourself every single day by posting it like in your bathroom or in the bedroom. So you're reminded every day about, this is my new identity. And you can't, it's like telling a smoker to not smoke. If you tell them to not smoke, the likelihood is they're going to fall back into faulty habits because eventually that motivation and discipline will wean off or the ill wear out. But when you actually say to yourself, like the identity is I will try not to smoke versus. That's saying that you say to yourself is I am not a smoker, right? I am a healthier and a more resilient individual that's capable of handling any sort of stress or any sort of pressuring, from friends and colleagues. There's a vast difference between saying I am, and I think that I am is probably a statement that probably defines, your new book, Marry Yourself. Is you start to step into a new version of yourself that that really makes the changes that you want. And one other book that I want to mention, cause I feel like I just hit on this book a lot. Have you ever heard of the book The Regrets of the Dying by Bronnie Ware? Oh, no, I don't even know. I never heard about it. So it's a book that I even read when I first became an entrepreneur as well, and it's a book by Bronnie where she's a palliative nurse, palli palliative nurses are nurses that work in a setting where people are literally under deathbed or they check into this place and they're accepting that they are going to pass, right? There's have, they may be having something terminal. And that's just where it is, but they, she documents a lot of people that she's interviewed. And there's essentially there's five regrets that people have like on their deathbed But the first one that I think that really hits home that you said Was number one and this is the very first one is I wish I had the courage to live a life true to myself Not the life others expected. Oh my god, jason. I actually recognize It's part of actually a speech that i'm preparing for and it was exactly the study that I took But I didn't know it was actually a book but very true. It ties in so perfect with what we say You yeah. And so when you're living a life, that's you're being, I guess you're being two faced or you're starting something in your life that you started and you're not very passionate about it, or maybe you had the passion for it, but then you decided Hey, this is not what I want to do. Is you have to align your values and your purpose with the things that you're wanting to do, because if you don't, then you're just forcing the issue. So I think for what you've been through and the journey you've been on again, what is admirable, but too, I think you're living a very purpose driven life, helping people with their health. Their financial health, their physical health. And I think that people definitely identify as such. So if there's somebody that I think has gone through similar things, I think that checking out your content and checking out even your new book that comes out we'll definitely put a link for that, or, at least tell people what it is with that being said, is there anything else that you want to leave our audience with any like final messages that I think we'll. Maybe one, maybe not necessarily compel them to make change, something that you definitely can have somebody like something that they can stick with. I think that could take away from this podcast. Yeah, sure. So in terms of like first year studies that you mentioned about, living a life in the way that you want, I think it's so crucial. So is the marrying yourself. I still, a lot in the book about shaking off like labels, limitations and things like the labels put sprout from your whole childhood. So that is really key that you don't marry, all those type of things. So you can clear up the space of what you truly want and what's like God's will for your purpose. And then in terms of like where you can get started is I mentioned the first step of marrying yourself. So I spoke about identity and divorcing that part, but step two is to Dating yourself. So before you marry, you date, then you have engagement. Then there is the honeymoon phase and the father's daughter stands. So marry yourself will guide this or a whole sequence of an actual marriage, but it is applied to you. So in the second stage, what you can do is in the dating stage how I healed my money relationship. All my life I've been really broke and my mom was always. Always in lack seeing my Korean family working really hard for money. So it was very hard to, to get out of this bubble and then say, I want to become a millionaire and do my own business. So that's where I took myself to money dates. You can apply this also for relationship or any other department in your life. But to make you an example, I used to go every Monday, like to a coffee or somewhere out. And I used to confront all the pain avoiders that I had. And the pain avoiders is like shame. It's laziness. It's fear, like fear looking in the bank account because like you're fricking broke. So instead of avoiding it, I did all the things that I was avoiding. And the more I paid attention to the money, where it was going, how I was feeling about it, How stable it is, I improved a lot my money behavior around and money used to make me very emotional years ago, but now I see that as a neutral thing, but we give like the emotion to that and I don't know if you heard about the book about Gary Chapman, the five love languages. The people can apply in relationship about acts of service physical there are so many like five love languages, but I applied that principle to the relationship with money. So most people see money as a thing, but I started to view money as a boyfriend. If money was a boyfriend, how often would you check in with money? Yeah. So a lot of the time my toxic version would check in maybe once a month or once In two weeks also I would never like touch money. One, one day the money was reliable. The other day it was totally unreliable. And that was the type of behavior I had with money. So the more I viewed it as an actual relationship, I dated it. I build up this healthy loving. This is also where money starts to flow in my whole business, owning yourself worse and doing the things. So think about areas where do you want to improve on? You can correlate it to the wedding wows that you wrote down, whether it's business related and things, and then start to set yourself dates every month, every week, and then start to pay attention to your pain avoiders. Because that's gonna, the short term discomfort is always better than the longterm damage. That really changed my life doing this multiple times. And if you want to read more about the full book, which walks you through the other sequences of the whole wedding, then you can pre order my book with the link I just provide. And I'll be happy if we can connect also on social. Absolutely. Awesome. And we'll leave a lot of that in the description section as well. So yeah, in, in any case I want to thank you for your time here and everything that you said aligns with my values as well, stepping into a new identity in order to improve. physical, mental, and even financial health from marrying yourself and stepping into different identities, I think is so critical for anyone. I think that even if you're not somebody that has dealt with trauma, just listening to the words that we talked about in terms of. Changing who you are, reflecting on those things going on dates. I think that beyond just something just more like metaphorical, I think that you definitely gave a lot more insight into things that you can do. And so if you found anything valuable today from what Ozzin said, I definitely recommend. Connecting with her on social or and I know you, you actually respond pretty often too. So she's not going to ghost you. It's not a robot either. So also at the same time, I'll put a link into the description section. Marry yourself. I think that's going to be a book that even I will pre order as well. Is there any other places or any sort of other values or things that you want to link? And then I can also post that in the description as well. Any other connections? Yes, sure. So yeah, asides the marry yourself book, I also run a free health community where I send like short mini voice notes and trainings for your everyday life. So if you're not really sure, where to So if know, decreasing toxins exposure in your life, or you're chronically sick or deal with skin eczema, the free community is a great way to start. It's on telegram group. And the second thing is I invite you if you want more tangible information really to get into action to register for my free masterclass. It's called five steps to combat skin eczema and chronic illness. And I walk you through the exact five things that I did, especially this year, applying my whole lifestyle in a way that you can just enjoy. Get ahead and start perfect. Yeah. And I'll link all that into the description section. In any case, Ozzin I know that we connected before I was also, connected onto your podcast as well. So I just want to thank you for your time, your wisdom your drive, your energy, your purpose, and. No, I think that a lot of people that will tune into my podcast, I think we'll get a lot of value and I hope that they will connect with you. But that's it. What I got for this podcast today for the won body won life podcast, please give us some feedback. Please give us a five star review. Some more people can be able to view this. Subscribe to my podcast. Also look up Ozzin's podcast as well and connect with us. We'd love to hear, what you have to say and help you with anything in terms of physical or even financially related, and if you have any sort of feedback for us, definitely also leave that as a review, but anyways, Ozzin, thank you so much for your time and we appreciate you and, hopefully a lot of people will be inspired by your words. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure and I'm excited for the growth and everything's going to happen for 2025. Perfect. Thank you so much.